There has been a lot of discussion across the web (and the WiC comment section) about the changes made to Jaime and Cersei’s scene in last night’s episode, when compared to the original writings of George R.R. Martin. Today, in the comment section of his blog, Martin directly answered a fan’s concern about those changes. GRRM: “I think the “butterfly effect” that I have spoken of so often was at work here. In the novels, Jaime is not…
*SPOILER FROM THE 4X03 EPISODE, DON’T READ IF YOU HAVEN’T WATCHED IT*
I rarely do posts about fandoms, but I was so concerned too after the last episode of Game of Thrones. It touches me deeply mainly because Jaime is one of my fav characters and I’m so attached to his redemption arc, like most of the book readers, I suppose. The TV series suddenly shows him in a very bad light, AGAIN, and this pisses me off on so many levels. I was curious to know what GRRM would have thought of the adaption of this scene, and this is his response. I agree with him completely. It’s true that the timeline is different, it’s true that in the show Jaime and Cersei are quarreling more than in the books, but some specific changes were so unnecessary, because they made the scene appear disturbing for the wrong reasons.
It seems that Jaime does what he does to punish Cersei, moved more by anger, than hunger/love. And Cersei keeps crying and sobbing, in short, she becomes a victim. I’m starting to think the writers have chosen this “rapey” variation to make the watchers feel really bad for Cersei (generally an hated character). If this is the reason, sure Jaime doesn’t needed such reversion, in exchange. T___T
This also makes me think how much a reader/watcher is inclined to “forgive” (or, at least, try to understand) a character that you used to really love, despite his/her behaving like an asshole at some point of his/her story. TV!Jaime will have hard times, since he already started like a questionable character. I read that many people who was starting to like him, now are thinking: “I’m done with you. You haven’t changed, afterall!”
(p.s. to anyone who wants to discuss about this, feel free to do it!)
What Shisleya said, so much. I hated this scene too. What annoys me most it’s that it’s completely unnecessary from a strategic standpoint, if their strategy was to make Cersei more sympathetic, because Cersei already is more sympathetic than in the books – and also generally more interesting, ambiguous and layered too. The writers and the actress have done a better job making her more relatable and interesting than the entirety of A Feast for Crows but never letting us forget she’s actually a horrible, irksome woman; now that rape scene just cheapened their efforts and took the easy way out by giving her a victim card.
And as for Jaime it seems like they either wanted to undo his entire redemption arc and make him as despicable as he was before his maiming. Or, more worryingly, I feel the writers (or worse, the viewers) may think his actions are understandable (even forgivable) in this specific case because they were done by a newly sympathetic, fairly righteous character, against a despicable hateful woman.
Meaning it leads the viewers into the age-old comfy mysonigist reasoning that “Yes, rape is awful, but she deserved it as punishment for being the worst”, and THAT I can’t forgive. I honestly don’t think their intention was to portray rape in a righteous light, rather I feel they just really wanted to make Jaime go back to his asshole self (in a rather uncharacteristic way, since his sister’s always been one of the few people he genuinely loves and is willing to treat kindly), but considering the average (young, male) viewers’ attitudes towards female characters on TV, whether good or bad characters (hi Skyler), I find it, shall we say, irresponsible to show rape as anything but the most despicable act only done by the worst vermins of the earth. Of which Jaime, however many his faults, is not, especially by GoT standards.
First sorry, my engrish sucks. Second i really haven’t started the third book yet.
They fucked Jaime’s character development in so many ways, I can’t think or find something to redeem this, there is nothing to redeem this big shit.
I haven’t catch the third book yet, I’m still on the second. But i took a look at the scene there and it’s is a scene where their feels are exploding because they were apart for such a long time and Jaime it’s not tottally conscient of the things in king’s landing in that moment, he arrives in the funeral of his son. He’s crazy by that time and even saying that they could “have another Joffrey”. And after the scene is done, IS Cersei that goes and ask him to stop the madness he’s saying. Because she was there all that time without him.
What they do in the show is so inverse, they make Jaime arrive weeks before Joffreys death. After the evolution of his character of what all the he went, from going out the stark’s prision, saving Brienne, losing his hand and dealing with the fact of learning to battle using his left arm, starting to deal with his new life. They make him see his son dying. He was evolving. And then… rape. You pick all that he went and throw into the trash.
errrrr…..nothing can redeem this. Gonna play my ACNL because I need happiness in my life.